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Gobbins
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| Forte wrote: | | Mitthrawn wrote: | | low effort troll |
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Ralara
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I'm betting money that this is either true or not true. 
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Viper Shizzle
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This is going to be a very long post so bear with me:
I've decided to not add any specific logs for the time being, I don't feel like digging most of them up right now but I'll probably post them sometime tomorrow.
During the initial stages of the Fountain invasion it was obvious (to most) that PL wasn't going to be able to hold space. Ops weren't being lead, our allies (SOT) were cascading and nobody was really dedicated to keeping a region few of us saw the value in. PL was burning out fairly quickly and OSHIT decided that we needed some time to "have fun".
If you've never played the sov warfare game, having fun has nothing to do with it. At this point neither side was really pushing and no ops were being posted for PL to join. Anyway, OSHIT heads to lowsec for a weekend and hotdrop people with faction BS. Shamis basically said this was me "killing PL" and that I took "half the alliance to lowsec" while they were "defending fountain". This is something he's still been going on about until today.
After Fountain, Shamis decided to move the alliance to Geminate and reset all standings so we could get "back to our roots". Most of OSHIT was cool with this until we got to Geminate, settled down and had, yet again, no ops posted. I decided that it was a better use of our time to secure some corp income that we'd lost during the Fountain invasion and, once again, Shamis felt as if we were "killing PL" by not having all of our members in Geminate while nothing was going on.
I'm not completely blameless in this. I could have been running ops the entire time we've been in Geminate, however I'm not much drawn to ~wulfpax~ and we lacked the numbers to do much more than that, even with the entirety of OSHIT in Geminate. Most of OSHIT was chilling around the same area of lowsec and we'd been putting some tech moons into reinforced (which nearly lost us three motherships and 15 carriers last weekend).
We openly talked about leaving during the latest op and Shamis decided to convo me about it
| Quote: | [20:17] <ShamisOrzoz> So have you guys officially decided to leave PL yet?
[20:17] <ViperShizzIe> no
[20:17] <ViperShizzIe> unless that's a way of asking us to
[20:21] <ViperShizzIe> A lot of oshit (most of oshit) is disenchanted with PL, we'd like to do our own thing for a while
[20:21] <ViperShizzIe> If you'd rather we left PL while we did that we will, but I'd like to leave under amicable circumstances either way
[20:23] <ShamisOrzoz> It doesn't really matter at this point. You worked hard to guarantee our failure in fountain, and pushed heavily for a move to the north, and now none of your members participate in PL gangs. I just don't get it. |
:awesome:
Yesterday, I posted this on the internal OSHIT forums (which are hosted on PL.com and, thus, Shamis can read). Some of this is pretty :effort: to read.
| Viper ShizzIe wrote: | What's going on, yo?
Since Pandemic Legion left Fountain the alliance has been mostly inactive. A recent spur in activity over the last week has been a welcome change, but for the most part there's been nothing going on. Face it, the alliance ops lately have been lead by wiztecia or some guy from NESW that flies with IT and TRI more than PL. Moreso, most of OSHIT didn't bother moving to FDZ. I don't care so much about that as I do about us getting active as a corp again. The recent moon grabs in lowsec around Arifsdald have netted fleets of comparable size to that of the alliance (who, interestingly, posted ops to coincide with the OSHIT timers). We've been able to steadily deploy 30 people in almost any timezone which for a corp our size I feel to be an adequate number.
The Future
Most of the directorate has been debating leaving PL over the last few weeks. It's been apparent that PL is no longer able to function at the level it once did, and it's not quite clear if PL is even able to function as an alliance. The "no blues" policy we have now is decent in theory, but having "no blues" hinders our ability to get into fights. I don't intend to be doing wulfpax for the rest of my time in EVE and I don't think most of you do either.
This isn't to say that we're leaving PL, that choice is completely up to Shamis. However, we will probably take an extended break from participating on alliance operations and in objectives directly relating to those of PL. There's a lot of political bullshit that I really don't care enough about to go into that's leading me to this decision, as well as the general lack of activity, goal, purpose and leadership in PL as an alliance. You can still participate in PL if you wish, having an alt around Geminate will still be a good idea but I will ask that mains and the majority of OSHIT move to our new HQ system.
For the next week or so we'll be settling around Arifsdald (where most of us are already) which is decently close to Geminate if things in PL change. There are some terrible pirates who managed to blob us a couple days ago (and lost a carrier to our pos in bosboger today) that look like decent victims. During this, we'll be getting ready to move farther West and see if we can't stir up some shit with idiots on that side of the map.
This isn't a decision we've come to lightly, most of us still feel a great deal of attachment to PL as it's been our home for the past two years and we've done a great deal as a corp to make PL what it was at it's height, regardless of what any of the terrible trolls (who, surprisingly, are completely inactive) say.
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That's about half of the post, the rest talked about shit which is currently not public.
Shamis responded with:
| Shamis Orzoz wrote: | All the other corporations had a much higher percentage of participation when you look at their total numbers of active members.
Also, I'm not sure what kind of hand holding you faggots need. But I don't know of ANY fc's in PL that don't have alliance fc forum access. So if you faggots can't make something happen then you should just kill yourselves in real life.
I'm not here to lead ops every day. If that's the kind of leadership you need, then go somewhere else and cry about it.
I deliberately give vague goals in the hopes that fc's will actually take some fucking initiative and do something.
And do you really think it is unreasonable for me to complain that the 2nd biggest PvP corp in the alliance does not have their dreads in geminate??? |
| Viper ShizzIe wrote: |
I'm sorry, are you saying FCUK, BOS and COVEN are more active than us?
You can even combine them and it still wouldn't even be close. We're consistently putting out equal numbers to PL on ops which you conveniently time to be the exact same as our corp ops. Sorry that we're not doing ~wulfpax in geminate~.
You come here and type shit about PL FC's not "making something happen" but when we (OSHIT) do, and it just doesn't happen to be in the region you want it to be, you start blamestorming about how we're killing/killed/ruining PL.
Our dreads are in lowsec because we're using them there to secure corp income since the alliance had effectively zero until you killed that pos today. I find this to be a better use of them than having them just sit idly in FDZ while nothing is done with them. |
| Shamis Orzoz wrote: | | BAW. "Shamis, Shamis!!! I don't wanna defend anything in fountain, and I'm tired of all these stupid blues. Lets give up here and then reset everybody, and then set a bunch of my friends blue instead" |
That was pretty much the extent of our conversation. He then raged on the two POS reinforcement ops later that night and today about us not being there (even though we had higher participation on the op than every corp except SNIGG). Then he posted that message on the ~inner circle~ forums to which he had removed my access when I became CEO of OSHIT. Unfortunately for him, I also had a secondary access which allowed me to view that forum I'd been keeping hidden so I could catch something like this when it came up. I posted on EVE-O that someone else had given me the post in hopes that he wouldn't find my backdoor access before some replies were posted, however, that was not to be.
Here's a .png link to his actual post taken with screengrab:
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3338/lookingforideassuggesti.png
At the end of the day, this doesn't really bother me at all. We were basically on our way out anyway but this just threw it over the edge. Trying to stage a coup in another corp (Angel had nothing to do with this, he only believed he could get her on his side) in your alliance is a pretty retarded thing to do.
My position in PL was pretty simple. I controlled everything to do with capitals and for the most part, USTZ. There are some common misconceptions that gobby initiated that are simply untrue. At one time I was the de-facto leader of PL (during Pure Blind) while Shamis was away. Everything between the end of Pure Blind to now has been completely up to Shamis in terms of alliance management. I relinquished all responsibility except that of keeping our capfleet up to spec and stockpiled. If it had been my choice, we would not have defended Fountain long after the engagements in PXF and 9DQ which were decisive victories and, in general, a favorable note to end on.
At one point I had over 300b in PL assets including a couple hundred dreads and director level access to the executor corp, as well as control over the entire sov4 cost. I've never really liked the taste of corp/alliance theft because someone was put in a trusted position. I currently have a few dreads left of the alliance stockpile which I'll be contracting back to Shamis. Shamis also is the only person with the access to 639b in the alliance wallet, so I assume PL will be fine on isk from here on out.
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Shinma
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| Viper's trolling the SUAP/Voltron pub chan basically, and did a pretty decent job. Nmeh called it though on the excess !!! |
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Viper Shizzle
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Shamis just posted this on PL.com
| Shamis Orzoz wrote: |
PL RE-ORG
So as most of you already know, due to some failtrain forum permissions, a post that I made, in snigg inner circle has been released to CAOD by viper. I can't say I blame him for releasing said post since he was the primary target of the post.
I had hoped to handle all these issues much more elegantly, but now that the dirt's out there is no point in hiding from it.
To the people of OSHIT
I feel that viper creates a hostile environment within PL. Trolling is fine when it's funny, but with viper it is typically malicious...usually with the intent of undermining the authority or reasoning of some other leader in PL, whether it be myself, or another ceo, or some FC. This had a great deal to do with why Angel resigned, and I hoped things would improve after that, but they haven't.
While OSHIT was a functioning member of the alliance, contributing a significant number (nearly 40%) of our active pilots, I was willing to put up with a lot, but now that viper and/or oshit has decided to isolate themselves from PL, there really is no point in tolerating the situation any longer.
There have always been several unwritten rules in PL. Use alliance voice comms, invite other people to your gangs, live in the same space as the rest of the alliance. These things help create unity in the alliance, and without that there is no point in being in an alliance at all.
So, to you the people of OSHIT: I very much like flying with your active pilots. I'm done with the trolls, and I'm done with the drama. If your corporation elects a new ceo that isn't an asshole, AND relocates to live with the alliance AND starts using alliance comms regularly, then you are welcome to stay. If your answer is no, then I would kindly like to invite any active oshit member to join snigg if you wish to stay with PL. Your are of course welcome to apply to other corps as well but I cannot speak for their ceo's/recruiters.
To the people of FCUK
Get your leadership and your capitals to geminate in the next 3 days or get out. If you cannot do this, or don't want to do this, then once again I would like to kindly invite any members that wish to stay in PL to join another corp.
To the people of NESW
You've been with us a long time. And you still have several awesome members. But as of late you typically have 1-2 guys online maximum, and you've been involved in a lot of activities that I really don't like very much such as running around in gangs with hostile entities and chilling in empire all day. Sort your corp out, and talk to me. This needs fixing. If you can't sort things out, then again, please join another PL corp if you wish to stay in the alliance. I expect some changes within the week.
To the rest of you, keep doing what you're doing, but keep looking for ways to improve your organizations. I'm sure many of you will ask why I'm not also raging at BOS/COVEN/Blabs so I'll explain: they don't have many active members, but the ones they do have, are active, and in PL fleets daily. They aren't fucking about on the other side of the universe and they aren't flying around with hostiles, and they are typically on PL comms... Obviously these corporations could all use some more active members, but that is a problem plaguing all of PL at the moment.
Another theme with the other corps is they tend not to cause me any drama, which I like very much.
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Any corporations that wish to leave the alliance will be given safe passage out of geminate. |
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Gobbins
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| ok, mabbe not a troll :v |
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Shinma
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| I just got 0wned on the false troll call |
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leboe
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Ituralde
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:HAIL DRAGONS: was better tbh
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Jordan Musgrat.
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Viper, you really are a faggot, so don't try to turn this into a "im a victim onoes" thing. But aside from that, props for not stealing meaningless shit, and you're basically in the right here from what admittedly little I know about the past few months from PL. Also from all the PL forum excerpts I've ever read, Shamis really is pretty retarded, but then that's true of a lot of alliance leaders. Basically just the fags with tons of time and huge egos to support themselves get to the top.
oh and let me be cute like the rest of you. :obvious troll: It never gets old. Never. |
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Captain Linoleum
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Gotcha IP's~~~ |
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Plave
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Let's make a new alliance, we could call it Oshizny |
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