Tengu

[cerui]

Geniunly surprised there hasn't been a topic for a pve tengu yet (unless i'm retarded and just didn't find it via search).

Anyways, came up with this tengu fit for 0.0 exploration aimed at solo exploration, hunting for magnetometric and radars. The dps is kindof meh but enough for the sites it's built for and the tank is afaik enough. And yes, I know it's expensive (and no I won't be flying this, just some theorycrafting) but with some situational awareness you should have a difficult time loosing it. All lvl 5 char gives 244 dps cap stable tank, 204 dps with regular missiles and signature of 180m2

[Tengu, exploration tengu]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I
Large Capacitor Battery II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
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Pro at loosing ships to republic fleet and alt+tabbing

Ex-BOZO
Ex-FABUL
Ex-WERT

[podcat]

is it really worth 2 bil to get a 200 dps tank/gank? you can prob get better performance out of a recon tbh
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pew-pew char: Morel Nova. Latest vid: Dishonor - combat evolved

[Forte]

[cerui]

[Rajere]

Have you taken a look at the cargo hold of that Tengu yet? Maybe you're only after very specific items which are all 0.1m3 or below, but from my experience a single exploration site drops *stuff* in excess of your ability to carry it all, assuming you're actually packing various dmg type missiles.

Again I could be wrong or it could be that you're only after specific things, but I don't see how you'd be able to stay in deep space for several days, unless you mean it takes that long to find a site or 2.

edit er nm, tengu gets nearly double the cargo hold of the proteus, fuuuuu caldari.

[cerui]

yeah, 420m3 and the stuff that really takes up cargospace (f.ex parts for the module/rig/ship interfaces) are worth fuckall. I'm calculating around 70m3 for the stuff because the bpc's, decryptors and rig parts take up very little cargospace. Which gives you enough cargospace for around 12k of missiles (would even say that faction missiles were worth it due to less missiles required and shorter time to run). And given that you'll be hitting the resistance hole you shouldn't require that many missiles per site so should be good for at least 5 sites and resupply via blockade runner is a breeze.

Oh and the setup has alot of cpu left so t2 versions of the salvager/analyzer/codebreaker fit very easily.

Edit: I tried coming up with another strac that is cap stable, has propulsion mod, can fit salvager/analyzer/codebreaker at the same time and doesn't potential problems taking out frigs that get close. Legion gets close but lazor damge is....meh against everything else than bloods and sansha when your dps is 200 dps.
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Pro at loosing ships to republic fleet and alt+tabbing

Ex-BOZO
Ex-FABUL
Ex-WERT

[mira o'karr]

if they werent so expensive
650m/s 800+ dps 500ish omni tank

[Tengu, pve]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Bay Loading Accelerator I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

[GarstTyrell]

I figured this would go without saying but since someone quoted a 2billion price tag earlier, ill say it anyway: prices are coming down and will only go down further, epsecially since CCP wants tech3 to become more prevalent. So whats 2billion now (I think thats high tbh, I see the hulls for 600mil on the market) might only be a few hundred million a few months from now. EVE is nothing if not a game for patient people. A utility strat cruiser could be very useful for exploring/ninja ratting in the future.
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[Jonas Kinni]

Anyone have any experience using T2 missiles in missions? The DPS increase of Fury over plain t1 seems great, but is it worth the cost?

I've been looking at the following (fairly pimp) set up - requires 3% pg implant:

[Tengu, Navy]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster (or B-Type)
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Large Capacitor Battery II

Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile

Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Core Defence Operational Solidifier II (hey, they're cheaper than the CN Invul fields)
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

This has a 791 dps omni tank and does 635 dps (with implants). Changing the launchers to T2 instead of faction requires replacing the Rigor rig with an ACR and a 5% pg implant, but yeilds 790 DPS using fury missiles. T1 missiles give 617 DPS, so not that far off the navy launchers.

Given how close the dps numbers are with t1 ammo, I guess the answer is to use t2 launchers and only use t2 ammo on the bigger BS rats.

Anyone have any thoughts?

[Forte]

[Jonas Kinni]

Err, an SPR would ruin the setup and a PDS is not needed, cap is stable as it is. Only thing I'd consider swapping in there might be a damage control, but is has enough tank already.

The extra damage from the 4th BCU is 40 DPS in the Navy set up or 50 DPS in the T2 / fury set up. That's about 6.7% more damage than 3 BCUs. Well worth it imo.

I'm not much of a missile user, though the alt I'm looking at using this ship on has near perfect missile skills for HML & HAML. I guess I need to get him in a Drake for a bit while he trains up Cal Cruiser 5, see how the fury missiles work out.

[wolf359]

[keiiko netsova]

[wolf359]

Yes i know that it doesn't matter of booster size but the percentages do so
Small Shield Booster II
Unbonused boosts 30 shield per cycle
With 2 T2 Shield Boost Amplifiers it boosts 53 shield per cycle

Medium Shield Booster II
Unbonused boosts 90 shield per cycle
With 2 T2 Shield Boost Amplifiers it boosts 160 shield per cycle

Meaning 70% of 30 is smaller than 70% of 90 so using a larger booster or runing two small ones should do better

[keiiko netsova]