| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
AerO
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 496
Location: Exiled.
|
 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Olex Grant wrote: | | AerO wrote: | | So they have high-ends also? |
Wouldn't be much in it for them if it was us saying "Hey guys, I know we're usually red and all but would you mind coming and helping us save our POS and losing hundreds of millions of ISK in terms of shiplosses in the process ?" would there ? |
Oh no, but it is very easy to convince the oblivious, I actually suspected that NOTR had no idea of the ~850 mil a week income from a Dysprosium moon, just to name an example, and that you'd have tricked them into thinking we were going to unleash POS warfare hell. Bit unlikely in a non-sov region though.
But then again, I tend to see conspiracy theories in virtually everything I read these days. 
_________________
Exiled. recruiting (as usual) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Revnant
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 162
Location: Undocking my Arty Reaper
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| AerO wrote: | End of the day you have the resource nodes under control, resource nodes we would love to use to fund our own alliance.
That is where POS warfare sadly comes in. Yes, it is an evil but sad as it is, it's a necessary one. No-one should have immunity to such things.
NOTR should realise that, assuming they are not holding any valuable moons themselves. Their reluctance to make life hard for Huzzah will only allow HF to fatten, to saturate themselves with capital ships and perhaps even supercapitals.
By not resisting you're only just nullifying yourself out of the scene, sooner or later the pact will burst out of greed and you'll have no means of stopping them.
I built my corp out of the dislike for POS warfare, it has long been one of our strongest principles not to engage in any of such warfare. But even we know the hazards of letting our enemies hold such moons.
Personally I think that anyone that helps defend Huzzah POSes out of good will without having a share in its profits is just silly, really. |
I must confess to ignorance in this matter but doesn't Unnat control a good portion of the decent moons in northern syndicate? Or are they shite moons?
Also after you have liberated our moons from our fat greedy capitalist pig dog ect ect ect fingers, how are you planning on dividing them up amongst the Unnat friendly forces?
sorry but your rhetoric and my insomnia inspired that last question |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AerO
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 496
Location: Exiled.
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Revnant wrote: | | AerO wrote: | End of the day you have the resource nodes under control, resource nodes we would love to use to fund our own alliance.
That is where POS warfare sadly comes in. Yes, it is an evil but sad as it is, it's a necessary one. No-one should have immunity to such things.
NOTR should realise that, assuming they are not holding any valuable moons themselves. Their reluctance to make life hard for Huzzah will only allow HF to fatten, to saturate themselves with capital ships and perhaps even supercapitals.
By not resisting you're only just nullifying yourself out of the scene, sooner or later the pact will burst out of greed and you'll have no means of stopping them.
I built my corp out of the dislike for POS warfare, it has long been one of our strongest principles not to engage in any of such warfare. But even we know the hazards of letting our enemies hold such moons.
Personally I think that anyone that helps defend Huzzah POSes out of good will without having a share in its profits is just silly, really. |
I must confess to ignorance in this matter but doesn't Unnat control a good portion of the decent moons in northern syndicate? Or are they shite moons?
Also after you have liberated our moons from our fat greedy capitalist pig dog ect ect ect fingers, how are you planning on dividing them up amongst the Unnat friendly forces?
sorry but your rhetoric and my insomnia inspired that last question |
Haha, all fair and well. I must confess that I know little about moon occupation in the north, but I would indeed suspect that those moons are valuable.
The difference is that we do not use POSes as an excuse to NAPfest, we are vulnerable and accept that.
_________________
Exiled. recruiting (as usual) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Krugerrand
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
Posts: 5774
Location: Outbreak
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Makes sense to me, be neutral when POS not under threat, when they become under threat, band together to protect them and limit the POS warfare crap.
Other option ofc is to not have any moons, but thats not really realistic.
Also Aero, you have a crazy mind :p
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mistress Suffering
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 862
Location: Einherjar Rising (CH)
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
So much politicing going on here as various sides try to convince the others not to work together/attack them.
Un-Nat owns several of the northern Syndicate high end moons, RA own a few more with Crescent and Hammer (RA vassal I believe) owning several more on top of that. Cosmic Anomolies still have one, and the southern collection is split between NOTR/Huzzah/OSS.
Now that we've gotten past the 'play coy about who owns what', give us some battle reports as Un-Nat starts to acquire the now exposed southern locations  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nuromancer
Joined: 06 Dec 2007
Posts: 12
Location: Wreckless Abandon
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Revnant wrote: | | AerO wrote: | End of the day you have the resource nodes under control, resource nodes we would love to use to fund our own alliance.
That is where POS warfare sadly comes in. Yes, it is an evil but sad as it is, it's a necessary one. No-one should have immunity to such things.
NOTR should realise that, assuming they are not holding any valuable moons themselves. Their reluctance to make life hard for Huzzah will only allow HF to fatten, to saturate themselves with capital ships and perhaps even supercapitals.
By not resisting you're only just nullifying yourself out of the scene, sooner or later the pact will burst out of greed and you'll have no means of stopping them.
I built my corp out of the dislike for POS warfare, it has long been one of our strongest principles not to engage in any of such warfare. But even we know the hazards of letting our enemies hold such moons.
Personally I think that anyone that helps defend Huzzah POSes out of good will without having a share in its profits is just silly, really. |
I must confess to ignorance in this matter but doesn't Unnat control a good portion of the decent moons in northern syndicate? Or are they shite moons?
Also after you have liberated our moons from our fat greedy capitalist pig dog ect ect ect fingers, how are you planning on dividing them up amongst the Unnat friendly forces?
sorry but your rhetoric and my insomnia inspired that last question |
We have children to feed!
lol @ this "fat greedy capitalist pig dog ect ect ect fingers" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Blight1
Joined: 10 Feb 2008
Posts: 23
Location: tri
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Krugerrand wrote: |
Other option ofc is to not have any moons, but thats not really realistic.
|
Thats not true at all... If all they wanted was good quality small gang warfare they could expect their members to replace their ships via ratting, mission running, etc like we use to in the old days... The only reason to own high end moons is to make your corp/alliance rich beyond belief... why be rich with nothing to spend it on? Building Caps/Supercaps with that money is pretty standard... and last time I checked those weren't common small gang ships. If all you want is small gang warfare you dont need high end moons or any POS' at all really... We never needed it before ... you dont need it now... owning pos' and then saying we dont want pos warfare when those pos' sit on very valuable moons is a double standard... and just plain laughable.
the nap fest isnt to minimize pos warfare its because they can't stand on their own two legs and defend them and they don't want to lose them...
Because of that, you have set yourself up for exactly what you don't want... So don't bitch about POS warfare when you brought it on yourself.
Dont want nuclear warfare? Maybe you shouldn't have launched a nuke. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Revnant
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 162
Location: Undocking my Arty Reaper
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You're using way too much hyperbole Blight. Its not bitching to say you dislike something.
We were asked why standings were reset: We explained.
You're beating the "give up your moons" horse to death. Maybe we're just listening to advice from AerO?
| Quote: | | I built my corp out of the dislike for POS warfare, it has long been one of our strongest principles not to engage in any of such warfare. But even we know the hazards of letting our enemies hold such moons. |
I think we've gone over the politics enough no? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AerO
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 496
Location: Exiled.
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Moons + Management = Corp/Alliance quality and stamina growth.
I think I, we, are stating the obvious now.
Any good engagements lately? I'm losing track.
_________________
Exiled. recruiting (as usual) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Krugerrand
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
Posts: 5774
Location: Outbreak
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Blight1 wrote: | | Krugerrand wrote: |
Other option ofc is to not have any moons, but thats not really realistic.
|
Thats not true at all... If all they wanted was good quality small gang warfare they could expect their members to replace their ships via ratting, mission running, etc like we use to in the old days...
|
If the moons are in your backyard you are going to exploit them, they are worth getting bogged down into the odd NAPfest to protect them because they do atm bring in so much ISK.
Moons are probably the easiest ways for an alliance who has acess to them to make large sums of ISK atm. ISK which can fuel logistics, be used towards other ISK making ventures, etc.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lachesis Moirae
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 2562
Location: Seattle; [SNIGG] - <-10.0>
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm not sure why there is all this arguing over moons, unnat came to south Syndicate looking for moons in the first place. Before you guys had even put up a pos, there were moon probers out scanning every moon in every system. We killed one or two of them, but I'm sure they ended up getting a full moon min map. All this fighting is to get their hands on the valuable moons, having control over the nicer ratting/mining areas would probably just be a bonus.
_________________
можно я тут выебу овцу или две? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AerO
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 496
Location: Exiled.
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Lachesis Moirae wrote: | | I'm not sure why there is all this arguing over moons, unnat came to south Syndicate looking for moons in the first place. Before you guys had even put up a pos, there were moon probers out scanning every moon in every system. We killed one or two of them, but I'm sure they ended up getting a full moon min map. All this fighting is to get their hands on the valuable moons, having control over the nicer ratting/mining areas would probably just be a bonus. |
Or it could have had something to do with mapping enemy POSes and what they're mining
_________________
Exiled. recruiting (as usual) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
HyJek
Joined: 19 Aug 2007
Posts: 980
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I have this amazing ability to lose a lot of ships, so the money has to come from somewhere 
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nexus Oblivion
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 10
Location: WR3CK
|
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ok I think we all agree NOTR/OSS/HUZ/ whoever have some high value moons, Unat & friends want them. Neither side has love of pos warfare. no need to continue to exhaust that subject futhur.
An idea occurs to me that won't ever happen though but an amusing thought, how about a gladiatorial contest for moons, small gang against small gang in 1 system without any outside support. that way neither side engages in pos warfare think of it as a high stakes game of poker. It would be cheaper and faster on bothsides and probably more entertaining too.less lagg and might even set a precedent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rajere
Joined: 01 Mar 2008
Posts: 755
Location: No Trademark <NOTR> Killboard Online [F5F5]
|
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | So much politicing going on here as various sides try to convince the others not to work together/attack them.
Un-Nat owns several of the northern Syndicate high end moons, RA own a few more with Crescent and Hammer (RA vassal I believe) owning several more on top of that. Cosmic Anomolies still have one, and the southern collection is split between NOTR/Huzzah/OSS.
Now that we've gotten past the 'play coy about who owns what', give us some battle reports as Un-Nat starts to acquire the now exposed southern locations |
We (syndicate locals) were well aware of groups such as RA gobbling up all the high value moons in the surrounding areas such as Solitude, Cloud Ring, and Northern Syndicate, which is actually one of the core reasons behind the POS Nap. Individually, we can hold our own versus any group which has any business being in Syndicate and fighting over moons, however we would get steamrolled vs a major powerhouse alliance like Red Alliance dropping 100+ caps. However if we combine forces for mutual POS defense, we're a big enough hassle to make it not worth their time.
And yes, I just implied that you have no business dicking around syndicate. The one thing I don't understand is how you aren't embarrassed by it all. Considering how bad you guys brag and smack about your conquests here in the armpit of eve its obvious you're trying to compensate for something. Tri? CR? who knows. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Informations |
| Page 25 of 31 Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 ... 24, 25, 26 ... 29, 30, 31 Next |
Permissions de ce forum:
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
| Bottom Tabs MOD by reddog |
|
|
FAQ
Usergroups
Search
Memberlist
