| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Is there a push for a one world government |
| Yes |
|
38% |
[ 30 ] |
| No |
|
61% |
[ 47 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 77 |
|
| Author |
Message |
saculz0r
Joined: 28 Dec 2007
Posts: 3966
Location: Wretched- In your North fucking with your compass.
|
 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:19 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quarantine wrote: | | saculz0r wrote: |
I see you have no clue how international politics works. If you want to be part of any consensus forming whatever way it swings you will need to be part of the IPCC from 2001 onwards basicly just as when you want any change on trade level you join the WTO rounds/talks. |
No, science mostly works with money and impact. The pollution heavy industries have been throwing lots of money at climate research to get the answers they'd like to hear, but haven't had much impact so far. If their evidence had been conclusive, they would have gotten that impact automatically, because people would have jumped over to their side to get money and impact themselves. |
You are mixing science and politics. In this specific case the political people are the gate keepers of what science material is used. Its ok it happens all the time but it also gives a false sense of consensus. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Arta
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
Posts: 443
Location: bein the best
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
| you are an idiot |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
saculz0r
Joined: 28 Dec 2007
Posts: 3966
Location: Wretched- In your North fucking with your compass.
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Phrixus Zephyr wrote: | | Nuravictus wrote: | | combined with what came out at Climate Gate |
There was no 'Climate Gate' you 'tard.
I'll just post this again.
Skip to 1:50 if you want to see your dumb ass quote dealt with. |
There is a climate gate as it is now a serious political problem and it is beyond the point of the instigating emails are misinterpreted or not.
It doesnt matter anymore what does matter is allot of political power brokers being embarassed and if you are a gobal warming believer you will see your cause being set back by attleast a decade and maybe the entire political circus will be put to rest.
This world has very serious issues it desperatly needs to adress like the pollution of the earths major rivers, the salination of lakes, the ocean of plastic in the ocean that is causing serious problems for the food chain, the worlds inner cities where hundreds of millions die of air pollution etc etc.
I think a politicised scientific debate on whether or not the earths temparature will rise by 0.5 or 6 degrees over the course of 200 years subsequently gradually rising the oceans over the course of a few hundred years is one of the lesser problems that in my opinion doe not merit the time, energy and money invested in it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Greme
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 1267
Location: Not Slacker Industries
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Phrixus Zephyr wrote: |
Argument dealt with in a more concise manner than i could != proof
I like how "Oh look they used the word trick! They're trying to con the world! Its a conspiracy!" is now "...they didn't comply with the freedom of information act"
Awesome. |
Well, everybody loves a good strawman.
Also, if you don't believe the guy in the video, do what he says, check all of what he claimed for yourself, and you will in fact find he's not fibbing.
There's a difference between skeptics and cynics, skeptics don't instantly believe things, but go out and find out for themselves, cynics simply stick with "NO I DON'T BELIEVE IT". Most of the lay climate "skeptics" are, in fact, the latter.
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Greme
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 1267
Location: Not Slacker Industries
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
| saculz0r wrote: | This world has very serious issues it desperatly needs to adress like the pollution of the earths major rivers, the salination of lakes, the ocean of plastic in the ocean that is causing serious problems for the food chain, the worlds inner cities where hundreds of millions die of air pollution etc etc.
I think a politicised scientific debate on whether or not the earths temparature will rise by 0.5 or 6 degrees over the course of 200 years subsequently gradually rising the oceans over the course of a few hundred years is one of the lesser problems that in my opinion doe not merit the time, energy and money invested in it. |
This, however, is a very valid point 
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fray
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Posts: 1395
Location: irc: D2 - Manchester.
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
When I see threads like this one, I think of this.
| Quote: |
"We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known." |
_________________
D2.
Sabre Spinning Failure Specialist |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Logan Feynman
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Posts: 976
Location: Triumvirate?! o.0
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
It's a conspiracy. The world is actually flat.
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tarminic
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 11054
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
I like how Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information, but a Youtube video is, and when someone responds "lol youtube" the rebuttal is "check his sources, man!"
_________________
The Ballad of Vagmaneer Jones - a tale of sorrow from Astro Empires.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vandervecken Smith
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 1248
Location: FRICK
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
Anyone who really believes in the existence or potential existence of one world government is retarded.
The fact is, that modern day democracies are evolving in a direction where layers of bureaucracy insulate the true workings of government/corruption/special interests from the common people. In that cocoon where decisions actually get made, there's plenty of room for collusion between the countries of the world about harmonizing laws in order to create a more feudalistic society.
Making that formal and visible via one world government would only serve to rile the populace unnecessarily. It's structured more like an international cartel where the members of the cartel are large multinationals and nation-states. One world government is stupid. Why set yourself up for ridicule as President of the World when actually having power is much better.
The only time we will need a president of the world with real power is when as a planet we need to band together to defend/attack some other entity. In order for there to be an "us" there must always be a "them".
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Greme
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 1267
Location: Not Slacker Industries
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Tarminic wrote: | | I like how Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information, but a Youtube video is, and when someone responds "lol youtube" the rebuttal is "check his sources, man!" |
Both are valid secondary sources, as long as you check the information they're claiming yourself (as you should do with any secondary source really).
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tellenta
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
Posts: 1846
Location: Invicta
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I find the idea that people will match opinions enough to establish a "world order" laughable. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nuravictus
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Posts: 717
Location: 24 Imperial Crusade
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Vandervecken Smith wrote: | Anyone who really believes in the existence or potential existence of one world government is retarded.
The fact is, that modern day democracies are evolving in a direction where layers of bureaucracy insulate the true workings of government/corruption/special interests from the common people. In that cocoon where decisions actually get made, there's plenty of room for collusion between the countries of the world about harmonizing laws in order to create a more feudalistic society.
Making that formal and visible via one world government would only serve to rile the populace unnecessarily. It's structured more like an international cartel where the members of the cartel are large multinationals and nation-states. One world government is stupid. Why set yourself up for ridicule as President of the World when actually having power is much better.
The only time we will need a president of the world with real power is when as a planet we need to band together to defend/attack some other entity. In order for there to be an "us" there must always be a "them". |
If there was a One World Government I presume it would be as follows.
European Union : North American Union : Asian Union etc & they would all join a One World Government much like the way Countries joined there respective local unions. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phrixus Zephyr
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
Posts: 6942
Location: Shit Creek
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Tarminic wrote: | | I like how Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information, but a Youtube video is, and when someone responds "lol youtube" the rebuttal is "check his sources, man!" |
| Phrixus Zephyr wrote: | | Argument dealt with in a more concise manner than i could != proof |
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tarminic
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 11054
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Nuravictus wrote: | | Vandervecken Smith wrote: | Anyone who really believes in the existence or potential existence of one world government is retarded.
The fact is, that modern day democracies are evolving in a direction where layers of bureaucracy insulate the true workings of government/corruption/special interests from the common people. In that cocoon where decisions actually get made, there's plenty of room for collusion between the countries of the world about harmonizing laws in order to create a more feudalistic society.
Making that formal and visible via one world government would only serve to rile the populace unnecessarily. It's structured more like an international cartel where the members of the cartel are large multinationals and nation-states. One world government is stupid. Why set yourself up for ridicule as President of the World when actually having power is much better.
The only time we will need a president of the world with real power is when as a planet we need to band together to defend/attack some other entity. In order for there to be an "us" there must always be a "them". |
If there was a One World Government I presume it would be as follows.
European Union : North American Union : Asian Union etc & they would all join a One World Government much like the way Countries joined there respective local unions. |
Even if we were to suppose, against the interests of all the countries in the world, such a government would be formed...so what?
Personally, I think that if the world pooled its knowledge and expertise under a single government, we could make some huge leaps forward. Also, no need for an army except as a UN-style peacekeeping force that would cost a fraction of current worldwide military spending. We could take all the military funding and devote it to...say...bringing 3rd-world countries into the first world.
_________________
The Ballad of Vagmaneer Jones - a tale of sorrow from Astro Empires.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Exortius
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 5217
Location: NOL-M9OHSHIT
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Informations |
| Page 6 of 8 Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Next |
Permissions de ce forum:
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
| Bottom Tabs MOD by reddog |
|
|
FAQ
Usergroups
Search
Memberlist
