Ore needed for Industry indexes, and related questions

[Al Kickaurazz]

Does anyone know the Ore amounts needed for each index, or any other details such as:

- What increases index? ore unit amounts or m3?
- Does Ice count, and ore from non-static belts?
- Do specific anoms/belts/ore/ice types count more than others?
- How much does each index decrease each cycle?
- What is each cycle? Hour, day, week?

Right now its ridiculous how little information is available about increasing industry index and military index..


Thanks for any information given. My corp industry players are going nutters over this..

NB: if any of you know a good site or post for this somewhere else, just pointing me in the right direction is appreciated.
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[Rogaru]

bump - also looking for answers to this
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[Kithran]

As far as I know there have been no definitive answers to these questions, but from what I've gathered the following seems to be general consensus (note I have zero experience in null sec, this is just based on lots of reading).

What matters is m3 rather than ore units.

Location of ore doesn't matter (could be belt, grav site, anomaly or mission roids, what matters is mining).

What also counts are magnetometric and radar sites.

This is all gathered from reading eve-o science and industry and test forums over time, I don't have a link for any specific post.

Kithran

[Rogaru]

can anyone confirm that the mineral belts of a lvl 2 system compared to lvl 5 are the same - the only difference is the amount of "grav sites" spawned?
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[Charlemeign]

[leeme lone2]

Since i started eve i had always heard rumors that belts were respawning monday and friday, i have not found any confirmation on this tho, nor to what mechanics are involved when a wormhole leads somewhere, why sites stop spawning in wormholes and when.

I think most of these questions can be answered with a qualified guess, much like any other science, as i think the first mentioned belt spawning theory is.
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[Joe Appleby]

[bigx6453]

Here's everything I've collected about the industrial level based off our two systems with the Industrial upgrades installed.

Summary
Hidden belts spawn at the next downtime after you've achieved the necessary industry level and have the upgrade installed. They respawn in 4 days unless you completely mine it out. The only belt that is feasible to do this is the Level 3 belt.

Level 1 - Small
Level 2 - Medium
Level 3 - Large
Level 4 - X-Large
Level 5 - Giant

That means if you only mine ABCM, this is what you can expect to mine over the 4 days:


Arkonor 20,000 25,000 35,000 40,000 50,000 (170,000 1-5 Total)
Bistot 30,000 25,000 50,000 60,000 80,000 (245,000 1-5 Total)
Crokite 24,000 20,000 40,000 60,000 80,000 (224,000 1-5 Total)
Mercoxit 0 10,000 10,000 15,000 15,000 (40,000 1-5 Total)

I have the full belt compositions, just ugly pasting them in here. All the roids were within scanning range of an Orca, as well.

Raising the level
Confirming ORE volume is what pushes the level up. That means mining up all the M (40m3) ABC (16m3 per), and then Spodumain (also 16m3) when trying to grind the level up. Preferably with Rorqual/Orca bonuses running at a POS 23/7, with dedicated mining supervisors passing Boss along through the TZs. Yes, that is why there is a 250km3 Spodzilla roid in the Level 1 belt, I have hundreds of compressed blocks of the stuff waiting for Tyrannis.

The increase in profession sites was nice for our exploration folks, but they are still generated randomly (like Wormholes) and could not be counted on for index raising.

Decay
1 Hulk mining will stop the decay of 1% per hour when no one is mining, but it won't raise the index, either. We would try to buffer 15% into a new Indy level to compensate from our lack of miners in the after DT TZs.

It is possible to respawn your top end belt sooner than the 4 day timer (without farming it completely). Let your belt decay below your highest level before DT, you'll lose it, and ensure you get the level back up the next DT. That way you get your top end belt every other day.


Was planning on doing this same analysis in our own constellation, but someone already did it, and was nice enough to post it:

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/Bloodtear_E-Y_Mining_Report.pdf

[Al Kickaurazz]

Can anyone confirm/deny that ICE mining raising the index?

Our corp has been mining ice like motherfuckers, and still the index is 0.
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[bigx6453]

We don't have ice belt in our upgraded industry system but poaster in this thread delivers, along with other relevant info:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1300835/page/1

[CareBearII]

[Al Kickaurazz]

[quote="CareBearII"][quote="Al Kickaurazz"]Can anyone confirm/deny that ICE mining raising the index?

Our corp has been mining ice like motherfuckers, and still the index is 0.[/quote]

Ice does not affect index[/quote]

Great that makes all kinds of sense (NOT). I mean, its not like ICE mining is industry.. Thats just PVP.. stupid CCP.
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